I have to take issue with the statements you made here. This is an inhumane abuse on deer. The publication of Calculating Cruelty by the League Against Cruel Sports (LACS) has been blasted by shooting groups, who criticise it for inaccuracy, misreporting and unsound science. For me, explaining why I hunt is kind of like trying to explain what skydiving is like. Mule Deer. There are no natural predators of deer in Britain. Deer stalking is the practice whereby hunters shoot deer. We'd call it abuse, and that's exactly what it is when it happens to deer. You can find our Community Guidelines in full here. End Cruel Hunting Contests in Canada. Sambar Deer Stalking #103: Read More » ... (or cruel poisoning), the alternative consequence of an unmanaged population. Review: Totally, the deer shows up three times in the movie. In Europe including the UK the Conseil International du Chasse (CIC) system is used, in America it is either the Boone & Crockett or Safari Club International (SCI), and in Australasia it is the Douglas system. Deer stalking is one of my favourite hobbies. 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The existing Open Comments threads will continue to exist for those who do not subscribe to Independent Premium. "Mr Michael says that there is incontrovertible evidence that deer hunting is cruel. But he chooses to ignore all these things and continues to treat other species as nothing more than living targets to be destroyed on a whim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sewinbasher (talk • contribs) 14:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC) You are approaching an ethical debate with a bias already clearly stated. Are you sure you want to mark this comment as inappropriate? Hunting causes a temporary drop in deer populations, followed by an increase in the availability of food, which means that the numbers of deer will go up again. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn”. Hunting as Sport and ‘Fair Chase’ Hunting is often called a sport as a way to pass off a cruel, needless killing spree as a socially acceptable, wholesome activity. Very Good Venison. A free, online, rifle hunting magazine and comprehensive website, covering all aspects of deer management, stalking and international hunting. Just For Fun. County Deer Stalking is the UK’s leading YouTube channel for all things Deer Stalking. The males with outstanding antlers are sometimes referred to as trophy animals, and as part of the cull, can be shot as part of a purchased sporting package to bring income to help with the management of the deer population as a whole. Deerstalkers have the humane despatch of the deer at the forefront of their mind (right behind safe shooting practice), and there are many scenarios which prevent a shot from being taken, such as no safe backstop, no clear shot, the deer does not stop, there are other deer behind the chosen deer, the deer which is visible is out of season, it is not an appropriate animal to cull, it is a good healthy specimen which would be worth keeping to spawn future generations of healthy deer or it is a trophy animal which could bring in much needed funds. Stalked deer are commonly shot with a high powered bow (in countries other than the UK; in the UK it is illegal to hunt any animal with a bow) or centre-fire rifle; prior to the invention of the modern rifle deer were stalked with the aid of a sighthound, such as the Scottish Deerhound. You can also choose to be emailed when someone replies to your comment. Antlers are measured by one of several scoring systems used to compare the relative merits of the heads. Blood sports have no place in an ethically developed society. Read our full mailing list consent terms here. Not only are there differences in the law regarding the calibre and ballistic performance between Scotland and England & Wales, (popular calibres are .243, .270, .303, .308, 6.5×55mm, .25-06, and .30-06) there are differences in the deer open seasons too. There is thus no case for amalgamating deer stalking with this topic as this is a distinct and recognised activity. The animals whose lives are so callously snuffed out have precisely the same capacity to feel pain and to suffer as Larry, the Downing Street cat. Cameron has called deer stalking “probably one of the most defendable” blood sports, a ludicrous statement to any compassionate person. Apparently he is one of the few marksmen skilled enough to shoot two stags in one go. But onto matters management - when I joined the stalking team on this peninsula which is three parts surrounded by sea and because of it's geography, almost an island as far as the deer are concerned, a decision had been in force for over ten years to undertake a form of 'modern' deer culling. Create a commenting name to join the debate, There are no Independent Premium comments yet - be the first to add your thoughts, There are no comments yet - be the first to add your thoughts. A ‘grade A’ red deer stag, ... director of campaigns at the League Against Cruel Sports. Cameron has called deer stalking “probably one of the most defendable” blood sports, a ludicrous statement to any compassionate person. Deer. If Mr Cameron wants to enjoy the deer on the island of Jura, why not take up quietly watching their majestic, gentle-natured, harmless and environmentally sound way of life from afar? Critics respond that hunting is a cruel … So then during the correct deer season, barren, genetically odd or very old animals are taken. Hi Andy. The six species are Red deer, Roe deer, Fallow deer, Sika deer, Muntjac and Chinese Water Deer and there have never been more deer at large or more widely distributed in the UK than there are now. {{#verifyErrors}} {{message}} {{/verifyErrors}} {{^verifyErrors}} {{message}} {{/verifyErrors}}, So you like deer stalking, Cameron? But it skips one opportunity to do so in Season 4, Episode 2, “The Balmoral Test,” in which Diana Spencer wins over Charles and the Royal family during a few days at Balmoral Castle in the Scottish highlands. Deer stalking in Scotland has centuries of history and tradition behind it while being an excellent way to really get to know its wildlife and on Atholl, we provide stalking for red, fallow and roe deer. Deer Manager. This is not random however, and a deer stalker will have carried out a population count/census to determine the age and sex profile of those to be culled. The Prime Minister is in a unique position to demonstrate his awareness of advances in our understanding of animals' intelligence, emotions, relationships with one another and capacity to suffer. [citation needed] The only English county without any wild deer is Middlesex and in all other English and Scottish counties and most Welsh counties there are deer populations controlled by deer stalking. He has been doing so for more than 20 years even though deer stalking has been banned some years ago. Please be respectful when making a comment and adhere to our Community Guidelines. [citation needed]. Not one of my preferred authors, however, Richard Dawkins once wrote "Nature is not cruel, only pitilessly indifferent. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn”. The last It is not a mandatory requirement to be tramping through the #issing wet and midge infested Scottish Highlands spending big pound notes to achieve your goal, the stags below were rutting in 2017 in the scenic countryside 25 miles north of Carmarthen, the two stags were only 70 yards from a friends house rutting on his cousins farm land which is directly opposite his front garden wall. Most federal and state agencies that manage national forests, state parks, and other public lands are partially funded by hunting and fishing activities, so agency employees often go out of their way to encourage hunting rather than regulating or policing it.The ones that should protect the wildlife are the ones destroying it. With articles written by industry professionals, kit reviews, video and features, alongside plenty of useful information. Vote. [citation needed] The first two species are indigenous; new populations have appeared after deliberate releases and escapes from parks or farms. Injured or sick animals are given priority at any time of year whereby a humane exemption in law allows a person to humanely kill any deer out of season or at night "by any reasonable means", if it is so seriously injured or so seriously diseased that to kill it would be an act of mercy. If population reduction is required, more females will be culled. The BDS- West Branch Unofficial. But it skips one opportunity to do so in Season 4, Episode 2, “The Balmoral Test,” in which Diana Spencer wins over Charles and the Royal family during a few days at Balmoral Castle in the Scottish highlands. Natural predators, who truly have no choice but to kill, help keep prey species strong by killing mainly sick and weak individuals. #329 Stalking Prey. Deerstalkers have the humane despatch of the deer at the forefront of their mind (right behind safe shooting practice), and there are many scenarios which prevent a shot from being taken, such as no safe backstop, no clear shot, the deer does not stop, there are other deer behind the chosen deer, the deer which is visible is out of season, it is not an appropriate animal to cull, it is a good healthy specimen which would be worth keeping to spawn future generations of healthy deer … Maybe it is the stark and vivid shift in the appearance of the landscape, or perhaps there is some cruel beauty in the appearance of a splash of crimson blood against the pure white snow. Due to the sheer scale of this comment community, we are not able to give each post the same level of attention, but we have preserved this area in the interests of open debate. Hunted animals feel no less pain, You may not agree with our views, or other users’, but please respond to them respectfully, Swearing, personal abuse, racism, sexism, homophobia and other discriminatory or inciteful language is not acceptable, Do not impersonate other users or reveal private information about third parties, We reserve the right to delete inappropriate posts and ban offending users without notification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sewinbasher (talk • contribs) 14:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC) From thier office set in the heart of Scotland they also manage hunting grounds covering more than 250,000 of woodlands, agriculture and open hill, which is a habitat for an abundance of wildlife including deer … The fact remains that hunting is cruel and causes animals unnecessary suffering. Voices > Commentators > Bruce Anderson Stalking deer is a very noble pursuit Hunting is not only natural. more inhumane way to kill. she asked if the dogs where not in the kennels then, i said no only one is my gun dog, my deer dog is here with me. It's been shown that in hunted deer populations, does are more likely to have twins rather than single fawns and are more likely to reproduce at a young age. A rifle is used that complies with the minimum requirements of the Deer Act (1991) in England and Wales or in the Deer (Scotland) Act 1996 in calibre and ballistic performance. It took a long time to be legally able to do so. Poaching has been part and parcel of rural life for centuries, usually carried out to procure food or as a means of making a slightly better living than other country people. Nonetheless, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about this ancient activity (hunting). Kate Middleton is at the centre of a major public row over her decision to go deer stalking with the Royal Family. Fallow Deer have been at large in many parts of the UK for at least 1,000 years, added to by more recent escapes, but the other three species have solely originated from ornamental collections and deer farms, principally from Woburn Abbey, escaping through damaged fences or sometimes by deliberate release. Petition details. For animals such as deer, who live in close-knit herds, hunting can devastate entire communities. Comments. If he was shooting dogs and cats for fun, we wouldn't be calling it “sport”. Three registered hunts still chase and kill red deer across Devon and Somerset despite a deer hunting ban coming into force in 2004 and deer hunting with dogs being banned. Apart from the stalking of Red and Sika Deer on the open hillsides of Scotland and the Lake District which takes place in daylight, most deer stalking takes place in the first and last two hours of daylight and most people never come into contact with it although it occurs almost everywhere. As with every episode of The […] Hunters argue that killing the deer is better than letting them starve to death. It's appalling that our country's leader indulges in killing for the sheer fun of it – a show of baseless, old-fashioned machismo better fitted to Mr Putin. It is also a way of enhancing man's understanding of the natural world Want an ad-free experience?Subscribe to Independent Premium. Connecting with nature in a very profound and ancient way. ''When you're stalking deer, you have to take about one step every five minutes or you're going to spook them,'' Mr. Commesso, 43, said, allowing his voice to rise above a … "Stalking" is defined as to pursue or approach stealthily which is often necessary when approaching wild deer, or the high seat overseeing the area where the deer are likely to be passing. Deer. If a population increase is required, only a selected few will be culled. When animal cruelty is portrayed by some as a 'sport', it debases society and perpetuates unacceptable animal cruelty. With a surplus of food, the surviving deer are better nourished, which can lead to a higher reproductive rate and lower neonatal mortality. Hillbilly Zen, I've deer hunted for well over thirty years and have taken many deer over these years. “These all represent the destructive and cruel energies of man directed toward more helpless creatures.” William is a particularly keen huntsman who inherited his lover of deer stalking from his grand-father, Prince Philip. Oppose Game stalking has no real meaning other than a generic term for hunting game with rifle, bow or shotgun by approaching it quietly on the ground. “Sadism may take a socially acceptable form [such as deer hunting and deer stalking] and other varieties of so-called ‘sport,'” he writes. It allows our most engaged readers to debate the big issues, share their own experiences, discuss real-world solutions, and more. Scottish deer stalking is often done under the guidance of a professional stalker, a resident expert. Our journalists will try to respond by joining the threads when they can to create a true meeting of independent Premium. “Sadism may take a socially acceptable form [such as deer hunting and deer stalking] and other varieties of so-called ‘sport,'” he writes. Firstly, hunting is not cruel or inhumane from any perspective no matter the method of take. Updates. These cover everything from understanding the law to having 3 clean culls approved by a industry witness. Finding Deer to Stalk Choose an area where you’re likely to find deer to hunt. Vote. [1] As part of a land management programme, just as with bird hunting and shooting, the aim with deer stalking is to reduce crop damage and to obtain food. As all our stalking is part of a selective cull, all stalks are guided by an estate deer … Continued The PM is in a unique position to demonstrate understanding of animals' intelligence, but he ignores this so he can treat other species as living targets, Find your bookmarks in your Independent Premium section, under my profile. A result of this is that both Red Deer and Roe Deer are now present in several parts of Wales, a country from which both had been absent as wild animals for several centuries. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn”. “These all represent the destructive and cruel energies of man directed toward more helpless creatures.” This “blood sport” involves a cruel and unjust suffering of these gorgeous animals. Then the Queen sees it, and she is so amazed by its beauty that she can’t help saving it from the hunters’ guns. 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